these are law abiding citizens. they shouldn't be treated like they should be shunned or shamed and that's the purpose of this list. >> gretchen: to point out, this list shows who doesn't have a hand gun. i think that almost puts them at severe danger. >> again, i think this is something that we really need to pay attention to because we're dealing with first amendment rights, u.s.er supreme court in 2008 stated that individuals have a right to possess a hand gun in the home. we've got new york licensing laws that people are complying with. so there is no excuse for this newspaper to try to shame and shun these individuals into not owning a gun. >> gretchen: michael barns, attorney and policy advisor. thanks for breaking that down for us. >> thank you. >> gretchen: coming up next, remember the four state department officials who were supposed to be out of a job over the benghazi, libya bungle? well, there is a fine line somewhere in all of this. they're about to come back. plus, did you get a gift card to someplace